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Michael T Babcock
@i_jayas
David Cooper
@mikebabcock now might be a good time to educate yourself instead of asking someone else to do the work for you.
Michael T Babcock
@cooplogic
David Cooper
@mikebabcock, first, making a philosophical statement about someone’s actual strife is marginalazing their concerns.
David Cooper
@mikebabcock The mastodon site claims that the network is “safe for all”. If the safety measures are used as a way to attack minoritized groups, then not only is the system not safe, but it’s mechanism for “safety” is being used to harm.
David Cooper
@mikebabcock also, here is a list of some resouces so that you can educate yourself, if you are interested:
Andreas K
@i_jayas The difference from centralized systems is that nobody forces you to use this specific website. Run literally your own instance. Then the only thing that can happen to you is that people block you. Shrug.
Rich Burroughs :kubernetes:
@yacc143 @i_jayas @Gargron @mikebabcock That’s too late. Black folks are going to the big instances because that’s where a lot of people go, and they are getting alienated. We can’t expect new users to know what instances are the “good” ones.
Michael T Babcock
@richburroughs I have a basic life philosophy of fixing things I can fix, instead of the ones I can't:
Rich Burroughs :kubernetes:
@mikebabcock I was replying to the person who said that Black folks should just make their own server. I hope I don’t have to explain to people what a problematic message that is. I don’t know specifically what needs to be done to improve the moderation. I don’t know enough about what’s happening to say.
Rich Burroughs :kubernetes:
@mikebabcock What I can tell you is that Black folks are seeing these misfires and some don’t want to come near the platform. I have a lot of Black friends I follow on Twitter and very few of them have come to Mastadon. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
David Cooper
@yacc143 most of us can’t run our own instance. I’m not sure that suggesting that it’s the job of the oppressed to fix the problems is the best stance here.
Kat Kime 🚢
@yacc143 @i_jayas @Gargron @mikebabcock Okay, but I'm pretty confident Eugen's goal isn't to build a de-facto whites-only instance. The complaints were delivered to Eugen because the complaints are about *this* instance "Deal with racism or go someplace else" might work for you, but not for Eugen's team That's why the staff is doing something about it, and that's why his users will continue to deliver feedback
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@i_jayas Firstly, why do you presume that the moderation team is white? Germany is more diverse than you might think. Secondly, trying to silence @mikebabcock is the exact thing you are criticising @Gargron of doing. This is an open platform and everyone may participate, so long as they do not post hate speech. Prejudice and racism is not a one-way street.
Izzy Jayasinghe
@mikebabcock@floss.social @GlowingLantern @Gargron Go and read about the post that was removed from mastodon[dot]social. If you have, and still don’t understand, you are part of the problem.
huardsmith
@i_jayas @Gargron @GlowingLantern where can we read these “posts” (toots?)? It’s not obvious from this thread (no initial toot with the one in question). Maybe I’m being dense in my searching.
Sibrosan
@i_jayas @Gargron @mikebabcock What makes you think this is about “White men doing their best”? Even if all the moderators are actually biologically male and have a light tone of skin, that doesn't mean they are, for this purpose, "white men". |
@Gargron @mikebabcock “White men doing their best”: fills you with so much confidence. Especially when they reply out of turn.